alfasz.yourbb.nl Forum Index alfasz.yourbb.nl
Alfa SZ chat! ES30 Zagato RZ
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 
Rust??

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    alfasz.yourbb.nl Forum Index -> ES30 Technical forum
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Harry_sz
Site Admin


Joined: 20 Mar 2008
Posts: 276

PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 18:48    Post subject: Rust?? Reply with quote

You guys seen this?


http://autocosmeticsdrachten.nl/fotogallerie/restauratie/




Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
robinsz109



Joined: 22 Jul 2008
Posts: 29
Location: Baarlo (L), The Netherlands

PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 20:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Harry,

I've seen worse pictures but fortunately not on my own car.

A lot of SZ's have problems in the C-column area as water is trapped because of the high seals.
Most of such damage is not really visible with the sealing in place and water will destroy the areas in time.

It is important to use a good additional elastic sealing to prevent water creeping under the seal and causing such havoc to the metal structure underneath.

Robin
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Harry_sz
Site Admin


Joined: 20 Mar 2008
Posts: 276

PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am starting to worry if my car has this of course Smile
What kind op sealing are you talking about and how can you apply it? With the original seals in place?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
robinsz109



Joined: 22 Jul 2008
Posts: 29
Location: Baarlo (L), The Netherlands

PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 22:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Harry,

what I mean with sealing is what we call "ruitenkit".

It needs to remain elastic and be hydrofobic (repellent to water) but also it has to seal off the cavity between the hard rubber original seals that leak water into the inside of the panels.
Oldfashioned window sealing as used for cars with rubber window seals is okay (against the current glued windows).
You could use silicone sealing but these mostly harden by condensation reactions leading to the formation of acetic acid which attacks the metal so my advice is to stay away from such materials.

Robin
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
frankalfa



Joined: 05 Jun 2010
Posts: 78
Location: holland.

PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 22:21    Post subject: Reply with quote

Horrifying pictures indeed...! Sad

As I understood part of the reason for this rust (besides moist under the original trimming) are the sharp edges of the body panels.

After moulding the bodyparts weren't properly finished on the edges leaving sharp parts to scratch into the metal once they where glued to the metal structure. Adding moist and a little movement to this speeds up the corrosion proces...

Best regards,fRank
_________________
SZ No. 044
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
zag



Joined: 21 Apr 2010
Posts: 53

PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you sure this is not a Swedish car and he parks it in his Sauna rather than his garage…?
_________________
SZ #376
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Harry_sz
Site Admin


Joined: 20 Mar 2008
Posts: 276

PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't get your hopes up Zag, yours looks probably the same when you remove the windows.

Wink
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
ceesz



Joined: 06 Jun 2010
Posts: 27

PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

My car is okay. I drive only with nice weather Very Happy
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
zag



Joined: 21 Apr 2010
Posts: 53

PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 16:52    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harry_sz wrote:
Don't get your hopes up Zag, yours looks probably the same when you remove the windows.

Wink


Nooooo, I remove all the windows weekly to inspect them....
_________________
SZ #376
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
wrinx



Joined: 24 Dec 2009
Posts: 243
Location: United Kingdom

PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 22:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

zag wrote:
...remove all the windows weekly to inspect them....


*Adds to maintenance schedule*

wrinx
_________________
http://www.alfasz.co.uk/
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
rz



Joined: 26 May 2008
Posts: 86
Location: belgium

PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 18:02    Post subject: Reply with quote

[/quote]

Nooooo, I remove all the windows weekly to inspect them....[/quote]

Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Simon_SZ



Joined: 28 Mar 2008
Posts: 124
Location: Switzerland

PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the point of buying a plastic car if it's still going to rust!!!

Laughing
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
wrinx



Joined: 24 Dec 2009
Posts: 243
Location: United Kingdom

PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the subject of rust...I found some very small areas where the front wing covers are pop riveted on.

Looking inside the wheel arch I could see the beginnings of rust around each pop rivet hole...now treated and re-undersealed but worth checking your own cars just in case.

wrinx
_________________
http://www.alfasz.co.uk/
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    alfasz.yourbb.nl Forum Index -> ES30 Technical forum All times are GMT + 1 Hour
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum