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frankalfa · Joined: 05 Jun 2010 Posts: 78 Location: holland.

Hi,

Has any of you guys have had any experience with windscreen seals supplied from autodelta uk?

After this season I want to repaint the roofpanel and pillars because of some rust. My guess is that when I remove it, the original trimming will break or deform so much that I have to use new material.

Who has done this in the past and can me some advise?

Thanks in advance, best regards,fRank
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Harry_sz · Site Admin Joined: 20 Mar 2008 Posts: 276

I cannot help you, but please take pictures.
I (or others) may be doing this in a couple of years also.

How bad is the rust on the roof?

frankalfa · Joined: 05 Jun 2010 Posts: 78 Location: holland.

Ok Harry,
I will make some pictures then (coming winter season I guess).

How bad is it?
Well, let's say that the visible corrosion can be removed without taking off the trimming.
Carefull sanding and repainting will do the job for now... But that's not a permanent solution, under/behind this trim there always will be some corrosion left and within time (one year, maybe two? It's alloy remember Exclamation

) the cracks and bubbles under the paint will show up again...
And then the whole story will repeat itself, so to solve this for a long(er) period the trimming should be removed. (maybe even the front screen has to be loosened but I'm too afraid to do that... Embarassed

)

The same goes for the spot where the C-pillar meets the rearwing.

Btw, it's not that bad that I should be afraid to loose the roofpanel @ high speed... Laughing

Best regards,fRank
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Harry_sz · Site Admin Joined: 20 Mar 2008 Posts: 276

Okay

I've got a couple of bubbles too, but not enough to do any work (yet).
But I am interested in what you will be doing of course.

By the way : could you send me an email? (harry@alfasz.nl)

frankalfa · Joined: 05 Jun 2010 Posts: 78 Location: holland.

philip · Joined: 25 Jun 2008 Posts: 115 Location: United Kingdom

Hi Frank,

I remember seeing an SZ years ago fitted with an Autodelta windscreen and the fit was awful. I don't know whether this was due to the seals, the screen or a combination of both (or even the fitter perhaps) but whatever the end result was terrible.

Sorry, not very helpful Sad

Philip

frankalfa · Joined: 05 Jun 2010 Posts: 78 Location: holland.

Hm that would be a little disaster... Crying or Very sad

Last week @ the paintshop we discussed the work that needs to be done to make the roof look like new again.
They shared my thought about breaking or damaging the original trimming when it's removed after 21 years...

We still have the time to figure this out, at first a nice season of Sz driving lies ahead! Cool

Thanks for your answer anyway, best regards, fRank
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Rogor · Joined: 27 May 2008 Posts: 121 Location: Netherlands

Hallo Frank,

Bij mijn weten zijn er vier verschillende fabrikanten bezit geweest met het fabriceren van voorruiten.

-1. Alfa Romeo, kwaliteit is goed: pasvorm goed, hardheid: goed.
-2. AutoDelta, kwaliteit matig: pasvorm:slecht, hardheid: goed.
-3. Paul Koot (Lancia Hyena): pasvorm: goed, hardheid: slecht.
-4. Onbekend, maar ken wel iemand die weer iemand kent die... Pasvorm en hardheid schijnen goed te zijn.

Omdat de AutoDelta ramen slecht passen zijn er extra dikke raamrubbers nodig om de ruimte op te vullen. Dit wordt door sommige liefhebbers als berenlelijk ervaren.

Als je bubbeltjes hebt op je aluminium dak, dan zou ik echt niet de moeite doen om de raamrubbers te verwijderen en je raam te verwijderen.

Ik heb het zelfde proces doorlopen en het bleek achteraf een fluitje van een cent!

Met je nagel kun je voorzichtig het bubbels open krabben. Wat je daaronder vindt is waarschijnlijk een dun laagje stof (Aluminium oxide). Deze kun je weg poetsen. Door nu je raamrubber uiterst netjes af te plakken, kun je met twee componenten primer het hoogte verschil opvullen en je dakje weer netjes spuiten.
Het allermoeilijkste is niet de kleur van het dakje maar de glas van de laklaag. Deze is origineel niet glanzend, probeer dat maar eens net zo mooi te krijgen.

Frank zou jij dit verhaal eventueel willen vertalen.

Oh ja, tip voor al je toch de rubbers wil verwijderen. Laat de wagen eerst een uur in de droogruimte flink warm worden, dan zijn de rubbers zachter een eenvoudiger te verwijderen.
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frankalfa · Joined: 05 Jun 2010 Posts: 78 Location: holland.

Upon Rogor's request the (kind of Laughing

) translation:

Hi Frank,

As far as I know there where 4 different companies who have manufactured windscreens:

-1 Alfa Romeo; good quality,good fit/shape, good flexability
-2 Autodelta Uk; doubtable quality, bad fit/shape, good flexability
-3 Paul Koot (Lancia Hyena); good fit/shape, bad flexability
-4 Unknown, but I know a guy who knows a guy etc..., both fitting and flexability seems to be good.

Because of the bad shape of the Autodelta screens there are extra thick seals required to fill the gaps. Some enthousiasts think this looks very ugly.

If there are little bubbles on the alloy roof, I wouldn’t bother removing the seals and frontscreen. I’ve had the same troubles and after all it was a piece of cake..!

With your fingernail you can scratch open the bubbles, most possible showing a thin layer of dust (alloy oxide), this can be polished away.
Now securely mask the seal and fill up the ‘lower’ part in the alloy panel with a 2 component primer. After this (and sanding off course Laughing

) the roof can be repainted.

The exact colour of the roofpanel isn’t the most difficult part, but to get the same matt finish as original is.

Tip: if you want to remove the seals; park the car for an hour or so in the heated area of the paint cabin, the seals will become much more flexible.

Thanks for your answer Roy, best regards,fRank
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Harry_sz · Site Admin Joined: 20 Mar 2008 Posts: 276

I know an Alfa Romeo dealer in Veenendaal (Netherlands) that made about 20 SZ-windows. (dealer it is now called Galleria Stemerdink)

I asked what they cost and he said they weren't cheap (duhh) and then he quoted a price of around 600 euro's. That's not expensive.
So if I need an SZ-window I will contact them first. I do not know if they have any left though.